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February 2013

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ORC

GAH WHY IS EVERYONE DEAD AFTER SIX YEARS?

Oh well I'm new but I feel like I've known you for guys for like ever. I just got into Resident Evil [five days ago, actually] and I love love LOVE Leon and Claire. I'm studying to become a Concept Artist and Character Design and to practice I did Claire; but now it actually spurred me into wanting to make a story or A COMIC GASP!

Haha well I've actually never played any of the games except for right now I am playing the Gamecube version of Resident Evil as Jill. I am fucking TERRIFIED of this game and I haven't played for two days because I'm so scared. Stupid zombies and Barry telling me not to leave the courtyard because somethings immune to bullets. I'll go out there fucking anyways.

Annnyyywayysss...before I was into RE I picked up a copy of the Playstation Magazine, and on the cover was one of the new characters for ORC and Leon's reflection in his eyes. I never noticed it until a few days ago. But anways, as I read the article, something really pissed me off. Re-read it, said the opposite of what I thought.

Anyways, CapCom KNOWS that everyone loves Leon, and they're taking advantage of it by making one of the gameplays be "Kill Leon", where you hunt him down, and as the title says, kill him.

What the FUCK, Capcom? Why are you pushing away the original, FUN, fucking terrifying game with the awkward camera angles and the limited ammo and the useless knives and the retarded controls and instead go with over the shoulder [ots], non-scary, Left 4 Dead style? I bought Left 4 Dead for L4D, I don't want another fucking game if I already have one like it?? AND WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU PUSHING AWAY CLAIRE FROM LEON? I SWEAR IF CLAIRE IS NOT  IN DAMNATION I AM GOING TO STRANGLE THE FUCK OUT OF CAPCOM AND WRING THEIR NECK AND FEED IT TO CROCODILES.

And this is from someone who's not even halfway through the first game.

-Kiran

[tumblr]: http://kiranscholl.tumblr.com/
[DA]: http://sakura1406.deviantart.com/

Comments

THIS COMMENT HAS MADE MY LIFE.
I am so glad there is SOMEONE else who is not dead. ^^^^^^ALL OF THIS. I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU.
Haha good! I am about ready to stab Crapcom into the chest a million times! They really need to get their shit together.

Haha we'll have to keep the community alive! I've been drawing a lot lately [not a lot of Leon though, he's pretty hard]
GOOD SOMEONE AGREES!
Capcom makes me depressed, sometimes. I kind of tilt my head and scream out WHYYYYYY, and then rage in my small, little corner. I heard Resident Evil 6 is getting an announcement in September at that big convention in Tokyo, though. Fingers crossed!

AND WE SHALL. The Cleon love with live through us! And aw! Do you have a dA? I don't draw, but I write Cleon fanfiction, and amv edit. >_>
I highly doubt it will have Claire and Leon, but since Leon got his own game I think Claire should get another too, (especially after Veronica!) it would only be fair. I REALLY hope she's in Damnation though, instead of some new stupid character no one cares about. Uuuuuuuuuuuuuugh crapcom, LISTEN TO YOUR FANS!
I doubt that they'd be together, as much as I really would want it to. :| I agree about Claire having her own game! Veronica was shared with Chris; totally unfair. I hope she is, too. I WANT TO KNOW WHO THAT SHADY FIGURE IS. D
FFFFFFFFFF I KNOW I HOPE IT'S CHRIS!

and Claire should be on her OWN solo game, damnit.

OH NO THEY JUST CONFIRMED THAT LEON AND BARRY ARE GOING TO BE IN THE NEW RESIDENT EVIL: REGENERATION AAAAAAAAAUUUHHH NOO!!! THIS IS HORRIBLE! I'M GOING TO MURDER CAPCOM AND THE FUCKING DIRECTOR. PAIR HIM WITH CLAIRE PLEASE

http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/25774
whoops, I meant Retribution!
I HOPE IT IS, TOO. My friend is absolutely convinced it's Wesker, though. ._. He isn't dead, dammit!

EXACTLY. Ms. Redfield can pwn n00bies and eat their breakfast. <3 Like a boss.

WHAT, NO. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO SAY. WHYYYYYYYYYYY. Leon is one thing, but to ruin the epic that is Barry Burton? WHY I SAID, WHY.
What?? I don't think it'd be Wesker, but I DO have a feeling he's alive [goddamn it I havent played RE5 yet but I knew he died anyways so it's okay.]

MS. REDFIELD CAN DO ANYTHING SHE SETS HER MIND TO!

BARRY CANT BE RUINED! HIM AND HIS CANADIAN-NESS MUST GO UNTAINTED!! And to answer your WAY earlier question, I DO have a DA and I'd love to add you. It's on the bottom of the first post, lol.
Oh God, I'm so sorry! I totally forgot you just got into the series! *_* I didn't mean to potentially spoil anything for you!

EXACTLY! Hell yeah, you saw what she could do! She's a certified BAMF. <3

I AM SO AT A LOSS ABOUT WHAT TO SAY TO BARRY. It makes me want to cry. They better give him a red beard. Or else I will be angry. D< And score! I don't post on dA, but I am a favorites whore. I'm more active on fanfiction.net and Youtube, lawls. xD

this is still johnfreemann, just a different account.

Haha it's okay, I'm used to the internet spoiling things for me. Bleeegh.

Oh my god I haven't seen ANYTHING because I'm still playing RE like the wimp I am! I really need to get to beating this game. It's driving me INSANE.

I KNOW. I HOPE THEY DO. I DON'T WANT THEM TO RUIN HIM.
Totally agree with you here. I don't know, but for me, RE has gone downhill since RE4...sure, there's Leon, but I just don't like the new gameplay and emo!Leon too much *sigh*.

In other hand WE NEED CLAIRE! Claire proves to be kickass in whatever media she's in (RE2?Check. Veronica?Check Check. Degeneration?THOUSANDS CHECKS).

go with over the shoulder [ots], non-scary, Left 4 Dead style? I bought Left 4 Dead for L4D
THIS +1000
I'm almost reluctant to play RE4 (Woah I almost called it MGS4 for a second there, lol!) because of that, AND Ada. And Ashley :/. emo!Leon sucks balls, I like how he acts around Claire. badass!Leon is cool, not a moody, angst-y guy.

YES! CLAIRE NEEDS MORE ACTION! Goodness, I hope she's in RE6.

Haha yeah I mean ORC looks cool, but I prefer to keep my games spiced up and totally different.
Dead Space: Fucking dark infected ship with necromorphs IN SPACE and you get an awesome suit;
L4D: Fun four-op with great characters, funny lines, and lots and LOTS of zombies! Plus, there's like mini-bosses and then I guess the Tank is considered a boss[?]. Teamwork is heavily implied and is the only way to progress through the game.
MGS: Tactical Espionage Action! Sneaking around bases, knocking out/killing dudes and fighting GIANT BI-PEDAL NUCLEAR LAUNCHERS! METAL GEAR METAL GEAR!
RE: Scary, barely-enough-ammo-to-get-by, mystery solving, exploring, and awesome tense atmosphere. What really set the atmosphere was the door opening slowly and throwing you into the darkness, not knowing what was going to happen next.

In my opinion, what would make ORC better is if it had limited ammo; don't use your big guns unless there's a huge amount of zombies/bosses. Like in RE0-3, you fucking SAVE your ammo for trouble. Make zombies faster, have the same door opening sequence, and for gods sake, make it harder to kill zombies and lickers or whatever. Really adds to the game if you're desperately trying to kill zombies to help an injured teammate. This is why I'm going into the video game department; I personally will listen to what fans have to say and incorporate what I can to make people happy. I'll MAKE my bosses listen, even if I AM a lowly concept designer; fuck you, I'm making the foundations to start your damn game, LISTEN TO ME.

Sorry rant over >__>;;
I guess my problem with the recent RE series that the new gameplay and setting kind of take the 'scary' and the whole atmosphere away. Hell, RE5's setting is in broad day light and we're fighting humans. The new gameplay too, kind of take the urgent atmosphere, especially the OTS part.
Plus it's a pity that they don't use the double-character setup like in RE0 in favor of the new setup (and they took away the classic menu...).

The door and the stairs sequence are really scary, indeed. I think that one scene with Nemesis in stairs in RE3 scared the wit out of me! Aah, I miss the old RE...

//johnfreemann on a different account.

Yeah, it feels urgent, but not like "HOLY FUCK RUN AWAY WERE RUNNING OUT OF AMMO." and the camera change just makes it less scary when running away because you can see your exit. Take RE for example, when running away your camera angle would change around all the corners, confusing you and making you panic. I love that! The menu also pisses me off, too.

The door sequence was the best! I'm pretty disappointed. If only it would come back.

It's Dead

Of course this place is dead, the events in RE4, Degeneration and Dark Side Chronicles put an end to this couple, and since then this fan base has been slowly dyeing. The fan listings don't have that many people listed and 271 Members is not a lot and I remember that number being bigger. But the L/C fans (where are they?) can’t see it, just like they can’t see that Wesker is actually dead. There’s been fewer and fewer fan fiction and fan art, both here and at other places. There’s been more 3D art, but by non-L/C fans. Most so-called L/C fans have moved on for them and have instead put Leon with someone else (the three A’s or the one that starts with a M) and having Claire being with Steve or… oh god (leave it to the RE fans to come up with this one) Wesker………

What little fan fiction there is has both of them acting out-of-character… then again, what else is new. Lying and exaggeration by so-called L/C fans has lead Leon to being called a womanizer. Capcom doesn't care what there fans say, the interview that came out before Dark Side Chronicles should have shown people here that. And RE Operation Raccoon City is going to be a what-if game, its non-canon game. Leon will still alive.

Re: It's Dead

Actually, I did some snooping around and there are a few places where it's quite active. It doesn't really matter if there hasn't been a lot of activity, it just means some people aren't doing art as much. They don't always have to have it L/C. And it doesn't bother me that people are moving on because everyone does, eventually. They might even still like the pairing and move on. Happens to everyone. Yeah, people have those pairings but we can still like L/C if we'd like. We're just fucking stubborn. Yes. The pairings. Don't even get me started [besides Chris/Jill, I think L/C is pretty much one of the sane couples that makes sense.]

Hey, we honestly can't vouch because we've never seen them in a normal situation, except maybe Claire for about 5 minutes in Degeneration. Plus, there WERE a few hints of L/C in RE:D, even in the bloopers. I also know Leon will be alive, I was just tired of Capcom using Leon all the damn time. He's going to be the new Chris or something.
I agree with you.
Wow… two replies in how many days or weeks??? The question was “WHY IS EVERYONE DEAD AFTER SIX YEARS”... but what was the point of asking this when you already had the answer??? Define “quite active” at those places? But see what I mean… angeljasiel is not a fan of these two whatsoever. Like her, when you don’t have real fans at places like this, then there’s no real commitment, nobody has any clue on why they work together as a couple and why Leon and all the other women don’t work at all… and why Claire doesn’t work with… Wesker…

L/C hints in Degeneration??? Seems like more lying and exaggeration. I remember only one fan here pointing out all those scenes. Everybody else was clueless and this is. But that’s what happens when a fan base like this has non-fans.
Check out angeljasiel's work on DA, THEN tell me she's not a fan of those two. And there's a hidden community here on LJ called Chemistry where I've been talking to a lot of people and posting stories the past few weeks. Plus a few groups on DA, tumblr..Honestly, just because it's not always apparent in the places you look doesn't mean it's not there. I don't care if it seems like there's not a lot of activity, and it doesn't matter if people move on, because I can and will support them because hell, why not? I just feel it's right and I'm going to go with it. Why are you even here if you don't like Leon and Claire? Just curious.
I'm sorry (not really) but I don't buy that angeljasiel is a fan of these two at all. She fails to see what's right about Leon and Claire and what's wrong with Leon being with Ada and can't see that steve is dead and not coming back. She can draw them as many times as she wants, but she, like all the rest, has no unerstanding of them at all.

The Leon/Claire fans have themselves to blme over this... why? Well, since they have never been 100% committed to them, I doubt the RE developers and writers took notice of it and even if they did, there's no way they could make sense of it. The L/C fan based died back in 2005 or 06.

Edited at 2014-09-08 03:08 am (UTC)
Well, it’s over… and the L/C fans lost and the L/A fans won. RE6 was the last, the end of the series and Leon and Claire didn’t get together. Even if they remake the games with a different or somewhat different storyline, Capcom has shown that they love Ada too much to change that and they would rather believe that they actually wrote and presented a believable loving relationship between them…...... well, like I said, it’s over